Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. In the movie Schindler’s List, which was based on a NOVEL, Amon Goeth is shown on a BALCONY, as he shoots prisoners at random in the Plaszow camp. You did not actually watch the entire movie *any* of those times, correct? You sound like any one of those 14-year old Nazi apologists posting on Youtube video’s. There is no proof that at the time the photo was taken it was meant to represent where he did or did not shoot people from. Amon Goeth’s Jewish maid, who lives a tortured life as the object of Goeth’s desire and disgust. In the beginning, at Plaszow, Helena worked cleaning the barracks. Of course, this shouldn’t surprise me, as you’re also the person claimed to have watched Shindler’s List “several times” and never once noticed the main villain of the movie being hanged, even though the scene is quite obvious. Give it up. In real life, Amon Goeth had two maids, both named Helen, while he was the Commandant at Plaszow. He is a monstrous, brutal and sadistic SS Commander, responsible for liquidating Jews from the Plaszow ghetto, and the mass murder of Jews in the Krakow ghetto. The hanging of Goeth occurs only two or three minutes before that, if I recall correctly, and the hanging scene has definitely been present every time I’ve seen the film. Amon Goeth is tempted by taboo desires. What a silly comment. Goodbye, dear. It was nazi bastard and he deserve what he deserved. Goeth, Amon Leopold, also spoken Göth, born 12-11-1908 in Vienna in Austria-Hungary. In addition to these particular auxiliary aides there were, of course, isolation cells, dark and wet with a small opening in the door through which water could be passed. Do u really think they would care … wait u probably think that they didn’t muder 6 million jews and 2 or 3 millions more people just because.. Helen Hirsch testified under oath that Amon Goeth had shot prisoners from THE WINDOW of his RED HOUSE during the time that Plaszow was a LABOR CAMP. Us academics research and fully analyse evidence on all sides of the argument before coming to a conclusion. Actually, in the movie, it shows GÃ¶th being hanged, he does not just disappear. Comment by automationgiant — May 17, 2015 @ 12:20 pm. You seemed to be brain washed yourself, and I find you helpless , pity that even after writing for so many years you can’t even be humble enough to support your point. Your arguments in your article/blog are inconsistent, poorly researched without any strong evidence to back up your clearly biased conclusion. It shows Amon Goeth shooting from a balcony which overlooks a quarry.Â This scene is pure FICTION. 33 notes. Amon Goeth Goeth is marked in the film, as well as in history, as one who finds causes for anger everywhere he looks. We were both shocked and horrified at how rude the British were. She said that he was always happy and smiling and would tell her that one day everyone will be free. You fool Amon Goeth is hung at the end of Schindlerâs List. - Anónimo. That photo, just by itself, tells us nothing either way; it’s just a photo of him holding a rifle outside a house. It is one of those “events that never happened, but are true,” as Elie Wiesel famously said. Villainous Valor: Even when he is hung, he shows nothing but ice-cold stoicism. Note the doors in the background, which clearly identify this as the patio where Amon Goeth was standing with a rifle. She faces brutal, unpredictable beatings at Goeth’s hands and begins … ( Log Out / Helen Hirsch was a witness at the post-war trial of Amon Goeth in Poland. Comp. Helen Jonas-Rosenzweig (born Helena Sternlicht; April 25, 1925 â December 20, 2018) was a Polish-born American Holocaust survivor who was interned during World War II at the PÅaszów concentration camp where she was forced to work as a maid for SS camp commandant Amon Göth. The list ensured She lived through the harshness of the ghetto, the Nazi raids, and the Plaszow forced labour camp. I seems that Amon Goeth was revived after he was hanged in the movie scene, and he was then put on trial, convicted, and hanged again. Amon Goeth determines that he cannot kiss Helen Hirsch because he is a German Nazi, and she is a Jewish servant. I shall not share what she told me about Amen Goethe. For what was fictional in the movie, similar things were most likely happening somewhere in the concentration camps. may God have mercy on your soul. How do you know that it wasn’t taken under a completely different set of circumstances that have no direct connection with his duties at the camp? .and that he shot at her and someone pulled her to safety behind something. I watched the film, Schindlers List last night and i find it very interesting and started to look at some of the names from the movie to see if there was any facts online. And the movie “Schindler’s List” revals facts about Amon that ‘re true, but it’s a movie, thou CAN’T state that it’s fiction and demand us to believe it not!! Comment by Appaulled — July 30, 2015 @ 5:10 pm. Helen Hirsch is a strong woman lost in despair, forced to work for Goeth, whom she despises. In the fictional movie Schindler’s List, the investigation and arrest of Amon Goeth are not mentioned.Â He just disappears from the movie and nothing more is said about him. Helen Hirsch is a strong woman lost in despair, forced to work for Goeth, whom she despises. Change ). 2006-2014. Amon Goeth killed many Jews and participated in the Holocaust, which is why he was executed. One thing is definitely clear, he ALSO MURDERED more Jews that Schindler did, as Schindler didn’t murder any. I’m British and you’re dog shit.”, Comment by furtherglory — April 9, 2017 @ 10:12 am. The main “villian” in Schindler’s List was hanged and after seeing the film “several times” you still don’t recall it? I’m sorry to tell you that. This leaves him conflicted because he believes her to be inferior to him. Seems like you the blogger can’t be helped as it seems you want to believe that Amon was actually somewhat good! This is the first day in my life that I have read your article and I have already noticed a blindingly obvious fallacy in your assumptions. And I could hear him whistling a happy tune, like he did so well. Comment by Mr Hunt — January 11, 2016 @ 6:32 pm. The attitude of the British was “I’m better than you. The WHITE house, where Goeth lived at that time, did not overlook the camp. He brutally mistreated his two maids, Helen Jonas-Rosenzweig and Helen Hirsch, who were in constant fear for their lives, as were all the inmates. Amon Goeth : The truth, Helen, is always the right answer. While the Plaszow camp was in operation, Amon Goeth was investigated by Dr. Konrad Morgen, a Nazi judge, and as a result, Goeth was arrested for stealing goods from the Plaszow camp.Â He was not arrested for shooting prisoners from his balcony. He pass his time shooting jews like animals from his balcony, for that hobbie he was called the Schlächter von â¦ I spoke to the “Second” Helen a few years ago. Göth joined a Nazi youth group at age 17 and was a member of the antisemitic nationalist paramilitary group Heimwehr (Home Guard) from 1927 to 1930. Amon Goth did shoot people from the balcony of that house, there are several accounts. At least go and read the book. Amon Goeth; Helen Hirsch; Chaja and Danka Dresner; Setting Up Stations Work To prepare for the Stations activity, we recommend that you set up desk groups or tables in advance. Amon Goeth was in need of a maid and told her boss to send him her best girl. "Lena and I had a room in the basement, next to the kitchen, in the villa where Goeth … Amon Goeth/Helen Hirsch; Amon Goeth; Helen Hirsch; tw: rape; Rape/Non-con Elements; One Shot; Summary. Comment by Nanci cohn lundgren — August 2, 2015 @ 8:47 pm, Comment by Mr Hunt — January 11, 2016 @ 6:28 pm. From 1943 to 1944, Amon Goeth, who held the rank of Hauptsturmfuhrer in the SS, lived in the house while serving as the commandant of the Krakow-Płaszow concentration camp. Unlike Schindler, Goeth never strays into goodness. As far as I know, she was the only one of the two maids named Helen, who testified at the trial. In the movie, the balcony overlooks the Plaszow camp; this scene in the movie is pure fiction. In most cases, anyone who merited the professional ministrations of this particular institution did not emerge from there under his own steam â he was dragged out by his legs straight to the communal grave where others who had shared the same fate, awaited him: others, who had also been dispatched on the very same day, We have come to an intersection. Something along those lines is definitely insinuated at the movie - that Goeth was attracted to Helen Hirsch, obviously not considering whether or not it was mutual, the question of whether he raped her is not explicitly discussed in the movie. For this act, Goeth has her summarily executed (figure 5). How dare you claim to know “like an expert” of what happened in those horrendous conditions. Because I lived in constant fear, constant fear, just looking at him. That’s like saying you’ve watched The Wizard of Oz several times and you can’t remember Dorothy throwing water on the Witch and the Witch melting. I wasn’t “there” when JFK was assassinated, yet I know for fact, without the slightest possibility of being even slightly mistaken, that he was indeed assassinated. But he looked around and he said to the woman that was in charge of us to send me to his house. ( Log Out / ‘Cause it’s a movie it doen’t needs to be exact to the real life, the main idea of the movie is to show how cold, cruel, and terrifily does the jews were treated!!!!!!!!! I have been blogging almost daily for two and a half years and have written around 800 blog posts.Â The two subjects that have generated the most interest, among my readers, are Dr. Josef Mengele who selected prisoners for the gas chamber at Auschwitz-Birkenau, and Amon Goeth, the Commandant of the Plazow concentration camp, who shot prisoners at random from the balcony of the house where he lived, according to the movie Schindler’s List, which is based on a NOVEL entitled Schindler’s Ark written by Thomas Keneally. I did a search and found this information on the H.E.A.R.T website: Begin quote: legendarykidherringsludge. He often beat her for miniscule things like ironing a shirt wrong or forgetting something. The person saying this shouldn’t be shown in schools because it has some inaccuracies is being ridiculous. If this is any indication of the content of your blogs, you should find something else to do. I don’t understand why your comment did not go into the spam bin. Comment by wolf — October 1, 2012 @ 8:57 am, Comment by thestoker — September 30, 2012 @ 3:08 pm. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Comment by furtherglory — November 20, 2016 @ 7:21 am. Schindler's List (1993) #schindler's list #helen hirsch #amon goeth #embeth davidtz #ralph fiennes. Section 4 (1:58:47â2:32:30) In this section, Schindler creates the list that will ultimately save the lives of over 1,100 Jews. Göth joined the Austrian SS in 1930 and was appoinâ¦ In the basement was a prison cell â and not just any prison, but the real thing, a real chamber of horrors. Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time. You couldn’t see into the camp from there, but Jews were marched past going to other factories in the morning. Comment by furtherglory — April 9, 2017 @ 7:47 am, When I first started traveling, in 1995, the first place that I went, was to England. Amon/Helen. Commandant Amon Leopold Goeth holding a military rifle. She's just one of the countless victims of Goeth's rage, though she survives to the end (and as of 2015 was still among the living: take that, you abusive Nazi jerk) and enjoys a modicum of safety while she's in his villa. Did you witness Amon Goeth shoot a group of people every single morning? Helen Jonas-Rosenzweig of Monroe Township is the focus of Inheritance: A Legacy of Hatred and the Journey to Change It. Before us SS â street, which leads us to the âNeu Gelendeâ (new territories). However, the lack of change in his basic nature does not render him a one-dimensional character; Goeth is a complicated and conflicted man, as well. At best, she was plain. The following quote is the words of Helen Sternlicht Jonas in her interview with Aleisa Fishman: “When I arrived in Camp Plaszow, I was assigned to clean barracks. Amon Goeth standing outside the house shown in the documentary. Quite obviously because I watched the film all the way to the end, as you apparently did not. She said in an interview for the SHOAH foundation, “I became so tough. Presumably, diphtheria was the wicked one. There was a very narrow jail made of iron, just big enough to stand in, not unlike a wall closet that has been hermetically sealed. Helen Hirsch testified under oath that Amon Goeth had shot prisoners from THE WINDOW of his RED HOUSE during the time that Plaszow was a LABOR CAMP. He was a madman. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/amon-goeth-in-the-news-was-he-actually-hanged/, https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/did-amon-goeth-really-shoot-prisoners-from-his-balcony-testimony-from-his-trial/, http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/plaszow/bauplaszow.html, https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/did-amon-goeth-save-more-jews-than-oskar-schindler/, Refusal to bake a gay wedding cake compared to the Holocaust, When you are really angry, there is nothing like swearing in German. End Quote from http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/plaszow/bauplaszow.html, Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2014 @ 2:07 pm. Comment by lucy parish — December 20, 2016 @ 9:32 pm, You wrote: “Hello dear. Like a rock.”. SchindleÅs list was just a movie and even he would shoot by panzerfaust to group of people every single morning it would NEVER describes the cruelty and sleaze of this war. One more thing u say that is total bs.. why would the nazis care if he was shooting people.. what makes u think that they would kill him for that? Helen Hirsch was a witness at the post-war trial of Amon Goeth in Poland. Comment by MEL — April 28, 2013 @ 7:29 pm. Comment by furtherglory — February 20, 2015 @ 7:01 am. He had a â¦ Helena Hirsch lived in the Krakow ghetto as a teenage girl. Fanpix.net, n.p. He was assigned to the SS headquarters for Operation Reinhard in Lublin in German-occupied Poland in 1942. Arupvc. No. I dont want to sound angry but you can spend your time better than this. Were you there? In the movie Schindler’s List, the two maids are combined into one person named Helen. He is also in charge of the Plaszow concentration camp. This structure was built before the war and when it became part of the camp, some very famous SS gentlemen lived there; Hujar, Zdrojewski, Landesdorfer, Eckert and Glazer. It is a researched non-fiction book written from survivor’s accounts. Theyâre standing, doing nothing.â He says, âIâm going to shoot.â And you could hear shooting like hell. During his time as the Commandant at Plaszow, Goeth lived in THREE DIFFERENT HOUSES.Â The RED House was the first house where Amon Goeth lived when he was the Commandant, and the WHITE HOUSE which is shown in a documentary entitled Inheritance, was the last house where he lived. The photo below shows Ruth Irene Kalder, the mother of Monika Goeth, standing on the PATIO outside the WHITE house, where Goeth was photographed with a rifle in his hand. I agree with you. The couple got a son Peter in 1939. It was very distressing to know that Amon Goeth and I are genetically linked. It’s not long before the end of the movie, just a couple of minutes or so before it switches back to color and shows the real Schindler Jews putting rocks on Schindler’s grave, accompanied by the actors who portrayed them. Amon Goeth; Helen Hirsch; Chaja and Danka Dresner; Setting Up Stations Work To prepare for the Stations activity, we recommend that you set up desk groups or tables in advance. Helen Hirsch testified under oath that Amon Goeth had shot prisoners from THE WINDOW of his RED HOUSE during the time that Plaszow was a LABOR CAMP. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. The blindingly obvious fallacy is this: in what you say about the photo of the real Goeth holding a rifle, you note that the photo shows him on the patio of the white house, and not on the balcony. This tells me you haven’t done your research properly, to put it mildly. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Amon Goeth was the Nazi that was served by Helen Jonas-Rosenweig. When Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, she and her family were forced to relocate to the Kraków Ghetto. It’s totally unnecessary for any of us today to have been there to still know with absolute certainty that it happened. So much time spent by finding out this?? But from now on, I will look up every word that I write, in a British dictionary, and use the British spelling — NOT! I’m not sure why people like you keep saying this didn’t happen. I was not alive during World War II yet I know for a fact that war did occur. In 1940, Amon Goeth became a member of the Waffen-SS. He hires Helen Hirsch as his maid for his household in the hills above the ghetto. The two maids, who worked in Goeth’s house at the same time, were named Helen Hirsch and Helen Sternlicht.Â Helen Hirsch is now Helen Horowitz; she was one of the “Schindler Jews” who provided information to Keneally for his novel.Â Helen Sternlicht is now Helen Jonas.Â She is the Helen who is shown in the James Moll documentary Inheritance, as she confronts Monika Goeth in a very belligerent way, making poor Monika feel guilty about the alleged crimes of her father. I think you are a Nazi loving anti Semite. â¢ A scene in which Nazi commandant Amon Goeth brutally beats his Jewish servant, Helen Hirsch . It is said that it was his strategy to exploit Jews by creating fear about him, and getting bribes to spare their lives. You are referring to comments that I made, in answer to readers, who commented on a blog post that I put up several years ago. I have written over 1,600 blog posts and I can’t remember every word that I wrote and the source of the information. If you win, I pay you 7400 Reichmarks. I have blogged about the hanging of Goeth at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/amon-goeth-in-the-news-was-he-actually-hanged/, I also blogged about the trial of Amon Goeth at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/did-amon-goeth-really-shoot-prisoners-from-his-balcony-testimony-from-his-trial/. As far as I know, she was the only one of the two maids named Helen, who testified at the trial. Some surviving Jews that were there with him said he shot and killed many Jews. However, he follows her orders in tearing dowâ¦ Commandant Amon Goethâs dog (Rolf) together with another dog. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. In reality, a Jewish woman named Helen Jonas-Rosenzweig was one of two Jewish inmates who worked as maids in Goeth's villa (the other one was Helen Hirsch, â¦ Comment by John Reagor King — November 19, 2016 @ 11:18 pm, You wrote: “I see that youâve been posting comments for up to two years after you posted the article and you *still* havenât mentioned this same obvious fallacy?”. There was also a narrow cell for lying in, into which it was only possible to gain access by shoving a person inside head-first. At the time, I didnât know who he was. It is very weird way how to say sorry or it is like you are trying to apologize for him. i don’t think you’re understanding that anyone states Amon ‘s hung ’cause of shooting prisioners from his balcony, Amon was hung ’cause of crimes to the HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please keep in mind that I am writing this story with Ralph Fiennes' and Embeth Davidtz's portrayals of Amon Goeth and Helen Hirsch respectively in mind. Amon Goeth, commandant of the Plaszow death camp, strides into the basement of his barracks mansion and sees his maid, the lovely Jewish internee Helen Hirsch (Embeth Davidtz). Those that found themselves directly under the train of his muzzle would no doubt attest him to be the beast proper, but, lests get it right. This man was a beast, I don’t care from where he carried out his executions of innocent people, a balcony or otherwise he was a vicious murderer. Comment by James Passmore — January 24, 2016 @ 12:49 am, Comment by Mr Hunt — January 11, 2016 @ 6:26 pm. The movie Schindler’s List should not be shown to school children because the movie is fictional.Â I previous blogged about the fictional aspects of Schindler’s List here. Amon isn't happy when he finds out Helen has been talking with Schindler. When he first arrives in the Plaszâ work camp, it is under construction. You have jumped to the unfounded conclusion that that single photo tells us anything either way about which house he shot people from, or whether or not he shot from the balcony of any house. She was saved by Schindler’s goodness and said (about his unsuccess after the war), “He saved us, so we have to save him.”. And his “saving” of any Jews was not because he cared about saving them, but rather because of his greed. He lusts after his Jewish maid, Helen Hirsch, and actor Ralph Fiennes skillfully conveys both the strength and ambivalence of this passion. From the minute she starts working for Goeth, she starts a miserable life as the object of Goeth’s disgust and desire. We were also disappointed in the English gardens that we saw. Helen Hirsch was a witness at the post-war trial of Amon Goeth in Poland. And this face with such satisfaction! Comment by furtherglory — December 21, 2016 @ 3:55 am, Comment by Donna Johnson — April 8, 2017 @ 3:50 pm, You wrote: “Analyse is correct British spelling.”. Schindler talked to her often and put her on his list. And I really didnât know what a brutal man he is, but he was a madman. It absolutely does not matter if he shoot or not from that balcony or he shoot people directly in the camp. The photo above is a still shot from the movie. Comment by Randall Springer — November 20, 2017 @ 9:01 pm, One question to the person writing this blog…… where you there at that time to see Amon not shooting from his balcony or patio, you make it seem as though you were there? At the third day, a tall SS walked in the room, and he was Amon Goeth. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/did-amon-goeth-save-more-jews-than-oskar-schindler/, Comment by furtherglory — September 19, 2014 @ 11:06 am. She lived through the harshness of the ghetto, the Nazi raids, and the Plaszow forced labour camp. There is no doubt he was a beast. There was nothing beautiful about Helen. ... Helen Hirsch stood in its place. Yes the movie shows amon being hanged, May be you didn’t follow it till end. Who cares if it was from a balcony or if it was everyday? Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Please keep in mind that I am writing this story with Ralph Fiennes' and Embeth Davidtz's portrayals of Amon Goeth and Helen Hirsch respectively in mind. Comment by No more war — January 6, 2014 @ 12:53 pm. The dreams after so many years heâs chasing me, Iâm hiding. I’ve moved on, and I suggest that you do the same. Oskar Schindler saved thousands of Jews. He brutally mistreated his two maids, Helen Jonas-Rosenzweig and Helen Hirsch, who were in constant fear for their lives, as were all the inmates. Across its entire length stand the villas of the officers (117, 179, 181, 183), and the red villa (178) âRotes Hausâ that belonged to Kommandant Goeth. As far as I know, she was the only one of the two maids named Helen, who testified at the trial. He then kills a Jewish civil engineer who attempts to make a barracks but breaking it down due to issues regarding the space not capable to fit the barracks. In spite of all the evidence to the contrary, the fictional story of Amon Goeth, shooting prisoners from his balcony, lives on. He dropped his membership to join the Austrian branch of the Nazi Party, being assigned the party membership number 510,764 in September 1930.